Two Point Conversion with BYU Football: A Gospel Discussion Podcast

BYU Football players are best known for their exploits on the football field. But in this podcast, they will share insights and testimony of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Join the Cougars and their guests as they dive into the scriptures and give unique insights into the Come Follow Me lessons from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

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Episodes 92

Psalms Part 2 with Siale Esera
6d ago · 54:32
Chase Roberts returns to the podcast with Connor Pay after missing last week's episode — for good reason. Chase made his first NFL catch in a preseason game with the Raiders, and he walks us through the play, the nerves, and what training camp mistakes taught him about growth and resilience. The duo also welcome BYU linebacker Siale Esera to the show. Siale shares his journey from American Samoa to Provo, how he ended up at BYU, and what fall camp has been like under a new defensive scheme. Then they dive into this week's Come, Follow Me reading in the Psalms (chapters 49–86). We talk redempti
Psalms Part 1 with Ryan Sharp
13d ago · 1:16:20
Connor Pay is joined by guest co-host Trevor Pay and special guest Professor Ryan Sharp, Associate Department Chair of Ancient Scripture at BYU, for a deep dive into the Book of Psalms — the first week of their Come, Follow Me study in the Old Testament's most beloved collection of songs, prayers, and poetry. Ryan guides the discussion through the Psalms, exploring how these 150 ancient hymns capture every dimension of the human experience with God. The trio also discusses topics like the power of music to shape our hearts and what it means to study scripture "sacramentally" — connecting heart
Job with Diane Neal
20d ago · 58:25
This week's episode is unlike any other. Connor and Chase sit down with actress and Israeli ambassador Diane Nea for a wide-ranging conversation that mirrors the Book of Job. Diane shares her extraordinary life story: from a decade-plus on Law & Order: SVU to losing everything. She talks about making aliyah and becoming an Israeli citizen, living in Israel during wartime, and finding herself in an unlikely role: literally gathering Israel as an ambassador for the Jewish homeland. Along the way, Diane draws stunning parallels to the Book of Job — the suffering that can't be explained, the frien
Esther with Liz Darger
27d ago · 1:08:08
Connor Pay and Chase Roberts sit down with Liz Darger — Senior Associate Athletic Director at BYU — to dive into the Book of Esther from the Come, Follow Me curriculum. Liz shares her remarkable journey from Boise, Idaho to BYU's athletic department: a path shaped not by careful planning, but by a series of unexpected nudges from God, coaches, and mentors. Along the way, the three discuss what it means to show up with courage in a male-dominated industry, why God's hand is often most visible in hindsight, and how Esther's story mirrors the experiences of modern missionaries and everyday believ
Ezra 1; 3–7; Nehemiah 2; 4–6; 8
1mo ago · 29:42
Connor Pay and Chase Roberts are back with a shorter-than-usual episode — Chase is reporting early to Las Vegas for Raiders training camp, and Connor is deep in final prep mode for BYU Football’s fall camp. Despite the condensed schedule, they each share one powerful insight from this week's Come, Follow Me study in Ezra and Nehemiah. Chase draws from Nehemiah 6:3 — "I am doing a great work so that I cannot come down" — and unpacks how Nehemiah's refusal to be distracted by enemies mirrors the subtle ways Satan tries to pull us away from our covenants. Not through dramatic temptation, but thro
2 Chronicles 14-20; 26; 30 with David Snell
1mo ago · 1:02:03
Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome David Snell, the creator of the YouTube channel Keystone to discuss this week's Come, Follow Me lesson from 2 Chronicles. They use the story of King Asa as a launching point to explore why we sometimes stop trusting God when life gets hard. Together they discuss what it really means to be a peacemaker in today's world, what repentance actually looks like when you put it in football terms, and why clinging to temple covenants is the throughline of it all.
2 Kings 16-25 with Professor Brad Wilcox
1mo ago · 1:04:27
Connor Pay and Chase Roberts are joined by BYU professor and author Brad Wilcox for a conversation about the similarities between the Revolutionary War, George Washington, and ancient Israelite kings. The trio dives into 2 Kings 16–25, exploring the reigns of wicked King Ahaz, faithful King Hezekiah, and reform-minded King Josiah — and how these ancient stories are strikingly relevant to the pressures of modern life. Brad draws on Seven Tipping Points That Saved the World to show how Hezekiah's faith-filled stand against the Assyrian Empire was a pivotal moment in world history that ultimately
2 Kings 2-7 with Professor Ken Alford
1mo ago · 1:12:43
What do a Cold War Army colonel, a BYU religion professor, and an NFL wide receiver have in common? More than you'd think. This week, Connor Pay and Chase Roberts sit down with Professor Ken Alford — a retired U.S. Army colonel, West Point computer science professor, and now BYU Ancient Scripture instructor in his 19th year — to dig into 2 Kings 2–7 and the ministries of Elijah and Elisha. In this episode, Ken traces his remarkable dual career: from commanding troops in West Germany during the Cold War, to managing $5.5 billion in government IT contracts, to teaching church history at BYU. The
1 Kings 12-13; 17-22 with Professor John Hilton III
2mo ago · 1:08:54
Connor Pay is joined by his brother Trevor, a current offensive lineman at BYU, and special guest Professor John Hilton III — BYU religion professor and Scripture Central contributor — for a deep dive into 1 Kings. John guides Connor and Trevor through the division of Israel under Rehoboam and Jeroboam, the strange tale of the two prophets at dinner, the Widow of Zarephath's extraordinary faith, the iconic showdown between Elijah and the priests of Baal, and the courage of the forgotten prophet Micaiah. Along the way, the conversation weaves in real-life parallels: the weight of peer pressure,
2 Samuel 11-12; 1 Kings 3; 6-9; 11 with Professor Ross Baron
2mo ago · 1:11:38
Connor Pay and Chase Roberts are joined by BYU Ancient Scripture professor Ross Baron for a deep dive into one of the Old Testament's most sobering stories — the fall of King David. They unpack how a man of towering faith could unravel so completely. Professor Baron brings the Hebrew text to life — revealing that David wasn't just "walking" on the roof; he was pacing, a caged lion far from where he was supposed to be. The group traces the small and simple failures that preceded David's great sin, the cover-up that followed, and Nathan's masterful parable that exposed it all. But this episode i
1 Samuel 17-18; 24-26, 2 Samuel 5-7 with Prof. Robbie Taggart
2mo ago · 59:24
Connor Pay and Chase Roberts are joined by BYU religion professor Robbie Taggart for a memorable episode about David and punk rock. Before diving into the scriptures, Robbie shares his remarkable backstory — from playing bass in punk bands alongside the future members of The Used, to serving a mission that changed everything, to eventually earning a PhD and landing his dream job teaching religion at BYU. The conversation then turns to this week's Come Follow Me material covering the story of David. Going far beyond the familiar David and Goliath account, Professor Taggart walks through the ful
1 Samuel 8-10; 13; 15-16
2mo ago · 16:03
Connor and Chase are flying solo this week for a shorter, more personal episode diving into 1 Samuel 8–10, 13, 15, and 16 — the chapters that set the stage for one of Scripture's most iconic stories: David and Goliath. This week, the guys reflect on the powerful theme that whom the Lord calls, He qualifies — and what it means to feel unworthy of a calling but show up anyway. Connor shares his own experiences with feeling unqualified, from his mission to his recent calling in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and how these chapters brought real comfort. Chase draws a compelling p
Ruth, 1 Samuel 1-7 with BYU Religion Professor Tyler Griffin
3mo ago · 1:03:04
BYU religion professor Tyler Griffin joins Connor Pay and Chase Roberts for a deep dive into the Book of Ruth and the opening chapters of 1 Samuel. What begins as an overlooked four-chapter story becomes a rich exploration of loyalty, redemption, and what it means to trust God in seasons of uncertainty. Professor Griffin unpacks the powerful symbolism woven through Ruth's story — how Naomi represents the House of Israel, Ruth represents each of us, and Boaz serves as a type of Jesus Christ — the ultimate kinsman redeemer. Together, they explore how Ruth's loyalty, Boaz's loving kindness, and H
Judges 2-4; 6-8; 13-16 with Josh Matson
3mo ago · 57:13
Connor Pay and Chase Roberts are joined by BYU professor of ancient religion Josh Matson for a rich discussion on the Book of Judges as part of this week's Come Follow Me study. Josh shares his winding journey to BYU — from being cut from his high school basketball team, to a mission for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Canada, rejected job applications, a week in Hawaii that led nowhere, and ultimately landing at BYU on his fourth try. His story sets the tone for the episode's central theme: God calls people not because of what they've done, but because of what He needs them
Joshua 1-8; 23-34 with Ammon Montenegro
3mo ago · 1:03:49
Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome BYU cheerleader and social media personality Ammon Montenegro to the podcast. Chase kicks things off with an inside look at life as an NFL rookie — grueling OTA schedules, thousand-page playbooks, and the constant pressure to perform every detail flawlessly. Then Ammon shares his remarkable journey: growing up as one of eleven kids in Las Vegas, playing football and wrestling, walking on at Snow College, serving a mission in Liberia, and ultimately feeling called to cheer at BYU — where he's now a three-year captain leading a team full of women with a whole
Numbers 11-14; 20-24; 27 with Kyle Sfarcioc
3mo ago · 52:34
In this episode, hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts are joined by BYU offensive lineman Kyle Sfarcioc for a conversation that covers football, faith, and the journey in between. Chase shares his exciting news: he just signed with the Las Vegas Raiders and is heading to mini camp immediately after recording. Kyle opens up about his remarkable first year as a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. From his early skepticism when he arrived at BYU, to reading the Book of Mormon on planes flying home to be with his father, who was battling terminal illness. Kyle shares how faith
Exodus 19-20; 24; 31-34 with Aaron Behm and Scott McKinney
4mo ago · 56:08
In this week's episode, Connor and Chase sit down with American Fork head football coach Aaron Behm and his father-in-law, Scott McKinney, retired pastor of CenterPoint Church, for a conversation that moves from high school football to the Ten Commandments. The group reflects on a "love first" mentality in high school football, shaping young athletes in an increasingly wicked world and the success story of the growth of Christianity as a whole in our society leads to a discussion about Exodus 19 and 20, focused on the Ten Commandments being a blueprint for a close relationship with God and a w
General Conference Recap and Exodus 14-18 with Kassidy Roberts
4mo ago · 47:20
Connor and Chase are back in the studio once again and have welcomed Kassidy Roberts, Chase's older sister, on the podcast to discuss thoughts and impressions from General Conference, as well as dive into this week's Come Follow Me covering Exodus 14-18. They discuss Moses parting the Red Sea, as well as the habits that the Israelites continued to fall back on, even after witnessing miracles; murmuring and doubting God's hand in their lives. Connections are made to the latter days and how we can strive to recognize the miracles that God places in our path amid the struggles of everyday life. C
Exodus 7-13 with Steven and Toni Caplin
4mo ago · 1:07:46
In this special episode, hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome very special guests — President and Sister Caplin, Connor's former mission president and his wife, now serving in the St. George Temple presidency — for an in-depth exploration of the Passover. Drawing on President Caplin's unique background as a descendant of Jewish converts and a lifelong student of the Torah, the group unpacks the deep symbolism of the Passover — the sacrificial lamb, the Seder meal, the unleavened bread, the bitter herbs — and how each element points powerfully to Jesus Christ.
Easter Update and General Conference Challenge
5mo ago · 1:17
Connor Pay and Chase Roberts will be taking a break from the podcast this week to celebrate Easter and challenge listeners to share their favorite conference talks with them. You can send them a message on their Instagram page.
Exodus 1-6 with John Bytheway
5mo ago · 1:02:27
Co-Hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome John Bytheway, the co-host of the "Follow Him" podcast, to dive into Exodus chapters 1 through 6. From the rise of a new Pharaoh who "knew not Joseph" to the burning bush and Moses' call to deliver Israel, this episode explores what it means to know who you are when the world — or the adversary — tries to tell you otherwise. The trio shares insights into the meaning of Moses' name, how Satan's first move is always an attack on identity, and what the Hebrew phrase "I Am That I Am" reveals about the nature of God.
Genesis 42-50
5mo ago · 37:51
This week, Connor and Chase are holding things down on their own as they explore Genesis 42–50 and the remarkable story of Joseph in Egypt. What begins as a familiar Old Testament narrative quickly opens up into something richer — a life full of deliberate, Christlike parallels. Joseph is rejected by his own brothers, sold for silver, imprisoned unjustly, and ultimately lifted to a position of life‑saving authority. The guys break down why these connections to the Savior aren’t accidental and what they reveal about God’s pattern of working through hardship. They also dive deep into the theme o
Genesis 37-41 with Izabele Christensen, Ivy Stout, James Calderon
5mo ago · 1:10:39
Join hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts for a powerful episode featuring three special guests: former sister missionaries Izabele Christensen and Ivy Stout, and convert James Calderon, whom they taught in the Washington, D.C. South Mission. In this deeply personal episode, James shares his remarkable journey from a difficult separation and divorce to finding truth through the restored gospel. What started as a chance encounter on a George Mason University street corner became a life-changing experience that illustrates key principles from the story of Joseph in Genesis 37-41. James vulnerably
A Short Break!
6mo ago · 0:39
Connor Pay and Chase Roberts really needed to take a break. Connor recently got married and was on his honeymoon, while Chase Roberts has been participating in the NFL Draft Combine. They'll be back next week for a brand new episode of Two Point Conversion.
Genesis 18-23 with Shan Arumugam
6mo ago · 1:01:10
Hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts chat with Shan Arumugam, whose remarkable story of faith and transformation will inspire anyone facing adversity. From growing up in India's "untouchable" caste system to finding hope in the gospel of Jesus Christ, Shan shares his incredible journey—from contemplating suicide as a university student to discovering missionaries who changed his life forever. His story includes serving a mission without knowing English or Hindi, earning a scholarship to BYU Hawaii with just a few dollars in his pocket, and eventually being sealed in the temple. The conversation