Tech Policy Grind

The Internet Law & Policy Foundry · ilpfoundry.us

On the Tech Policy Grind Podcast, we discuss the most pressing issues at the intersection of law and technology. We chat with friends and fellows of the Internet Law and Policy Foundry about their perspectives on emerging topics in tech law and policy. From AI to cybersecurity, internet governance, privacy, and more - join us weekly to dig into the latest in tech policy!The Tech Policy Grind was created by Fellows from the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. The Foundry is a collaborative organization for Internet law and policy professionals who are passionate about disruptive innovation.Reema Moussa is our host and executive producer. Evan Enzer is our editor, Daniela Guzman Peña produces the show, Lama Mohammed is our social and promotional coordinator, and our accessibility coordinator is Allyson McReynolds.If you’re interested in supporting the show, reach out to us at foundrypodcasts@ilpfoundry.us.ilpfoundry.us

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Episodes 60

S6 E5: AI uses and abuses with Professor David Opderbeck
1mo ago · 1:48:29
In this episode of Tech Policy Grind, today’s host, Steve Chu, discusses modern AI use cases and applications within the legal world with Professor David Opderbeck. Steve Chu and Professor Opderbeck discuss the proper and improper applications of AI technologies by attorneys, judges, politicians, and others before turning to national policies that have enabled both positive uses of AI in the legal industry and its misuses.
Data Without Borders: The Patchwork Problem of a Connected World
5mo ago · 38:36
In our second episode on Cross Border Data Flows, Victoria Ferrari and Guest Amanda Molina tackle the impact of Cross Border Data Flows on AI development. In a world where data moves faster than any border checkpoint, global laws and cybersecurity frameworks are struggling to keep up. From Europe’s GDPR to China’s data localization rules to emerging U.S. approaches, the digital landscape is a patchwork of competing philosophies about who controls data and why. In this episode, host Victoria Ferrari and guest Amanda Molina break down what cross-border data transfers actually mean, why global ru
S6E3: Cross-border data flows with Darren Grayson Chng
7mo ago · 30:55
In this episode of Tech Policy Grind, the podcast goes international to discuss cross-border data flows! Darren Chng helps us unpack how personal data travels when we stream Netflix abroad, shop online, store files in the cloud, or what happens when those data flows collide with conflicting national laws, security risks, and infrastructure challenges.
S6E2: Can Age Assurance Respect Our Privacy?
10mo ago · 1:06:53
How do we protect young people online without sacrificing privacy and autonomy? In our latest episode of the Tech Policy Grind, Justice Shannon sits down with Dr. Jennifer King, Privacy and Data Policy Fellow at the Stanford Institute for Human-Centered Artificial Intelligence, for a nuanced conversation about age assurance, the current practices, and the emerging practices used to verify user age in online and offline spaces. Whether you’re a policymaker, technologist, or just curious about the future of privacy online, this episode is not to be missed.
S6E1: FSC v Paxton with Prof. Eric Goldman
10mo ago · 54:16
What do First Amendment rights have in common with Calvin and Hobbes? In Free Speech Coalition v. Paxton, the First Amendment is on trial, and according to Prof. Eric Goldman, it looks like the referees are playing Calvinball. On the latest episode of Tech Policy Grind, hosted by Justice Shannon, Prof. Goldman, a leading First Amendment scholar and law professor, breaks down the Supreme Court’s fractured logic in this pivotal case. His take? Justice Thomas didn’t follow precedent, he put it in a blender, cherry-picking fragments of past rulings to justify a result that was already decided. It’
S5E7: Ahead of Google’s Response, DuckDuckGo’s Joe Jerome explains the DOJ’s Antitrust Case
1y ago · 41:33
In this episode of Tech Policy Grind, the conversation delves into the significant antitrust case against Google led by the US Department of Justice. The discussion covers the historical context of antitrust actions, the proposed remedies aimed at breaking Google’s monopoly, and the implications for competition in the tech industry. Joe Jerome from DuckDuckGo provides insights into the complexities of the case, the importance of technical expertise in enforcement, and the potential impact on consumers and the future of AI development. The episode concludes with reflections on the global regula
What do birding and dinosaurs have to do with privacy compliance? [S5E6]
2y ago · 37:54
Today on the Tech Policy Grind: Our editor, Evan, bids the show farewell for his new role in corporate privacy compliance. He chats with Pedro Pavon, a privacy attorney at Meta, about what it means to be an advocate on the corporate side, how birding can help us maintain a beginners mindset, and how Pedro launched the Data Protection Breakfast Club. Pedro is a lawyer and policy advocate focused on digital privacy, data strategy, and algorithmic fairness. He hosts the Data Protection Breakfast Club podcast and teaches privacy law at Georgia State University College of Law.
Responsible Product Design and AI Red Teaming [S5E5]
2y ago · 32:02
This week, we’re sharing two conversations from State of the Net that discuss the importance of responsible product design and ethical red teaming for AI. First, we chatted with Aishwarya Vardhana. As a full stack product designer, she designs innovative interfaces and experiences with safety, privacy, and other human rights considerations baked into the product. At State of the Net, when this conversation was recorded, she shared how she thinks about building ethical, inclusive and responsible technology, and how she prioritizes user needs to help keep people safe online. Then, we sat down wi
Conversations from State of the Net: AI’s Impact on Cybersecurity and the Future of Work [S5E4]
2y ago · 36:40
This week on the Tech Policy Grind, we’re sharing two conversations from State of the Net 2024, the premier internet policy conference that took place in February in Washington, D.C, to discuss the impact of AI on cybersecurity policy and the future of work. Foundry Fellow Sasa Jovanovic and I spoke with Heather West and Charley Snyder on the impact of AI on cybersecurity policy. We discussed the nexus between Artificial Intelligence and cybersecurity, revealing how AI’s advancements carry both protective potential and novel vulnerabilities. We also chatted with Dr. Athina Kanioura, Chief Stra
First Amendment Experts Dig Into Supreme Court Cases That Could Change Future of Online Discourse [S5E3]
2y ago · 36:24
This week on the Tech Policy Grind, an expert panel unpacked the two First Amendment cases heard by the Supreme Court last week. In 2021, Florida and Texas introduced laws to prevent social media companies from banning political candidates or censoring content based on viewpoints, sparking a debate about the balance between free speech and platform regulation. The Supreme Court hearing on February 26, 2024 on the Florida and Texas laws set the stage for a broader conversation on the First Amendment rights of social media companies. To comment on the recent hearings, we brought in Internet Law
Making the Case Against Aerial Surveillance, with the ACLU’s Jay Stanley [S5E2]
2y ago · 34:02
Welcome to the “Tech Policy Grind” podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry! In this episode, Foundry Fellow Katelyn Ringrose sat down with Jay Stanley, Senior Policy Analyst, at the ACLU’s Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project, to discuss Jay’s work on aerial surveillance law and policy, with a spotlight on the work that the ACLU is doing to keep you safe from eyes in the sky. While these two drone on about aerial surveillance (no pun intended), check out some of the resources listed below. This episode will be part of a mini-series on surveillance law and policy with some amazing futur
State of the Net Live 2024: Neurotechnology and Privacy, a New Era of Internet Geopolitics, and the Legal Landscape for Online Expression [S5E1]
2y ago · 53:41
Welcome back to the “Tech Policy Grind” podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry! To kick off Season Five, the Tech Policy Grind is bringing you to State of the Net 2024 Live! On February 12, 2024 officials from the executive and legislative branches joined internet and tech advocates in Washington, D.C. to discuss topics such as child online safety, AI regulation and governance, internet access and affordability, the legal and regulatory landscape on online expression, and more. In this episode, we put together three conversations from our live recording at the conference. Foundry alum La
The Tech Policy Grind Signs Off (For Now!) [S4E38]
2y ago · 1:07:43
This final episode of the Tech Policy Grind season 4 stars Class Four Internet Law & Policy Foundry Fellows Meri Baghdasaryan, Lama Mohammed, and Reema Moussa one last time before their fellowship with The Foundry ends in January. In this episode, the fellows reflect on the highlights of 2023, including the growth of the podcast, the Foundry’s participation in the State of the Net, and our renowned Trivia Night. Meri, Lama, and Reema share their 2024 plans, and some of the Class Four Fellow’s favorite memories at The Foundry, including a star feature from Joseph Catapano. Listeners will also g
How to Start a Tech Policy Podcast and Other Stories with Reema Moussa [S4E37]
2y ago · 38:15
This week, Meri Baghdasaryan sits down with Reema Moussa, the host and producer of this podcast. Reema is currently a third-year J.D. Candidate at the USC Gould School of Law focused on cybersecurity, privacy, internet governance, trust & safety, and other tech law and policy issues. In this episode, Meri takes Reema through an introspective conversation about Reema’s journey as a law student and an ILPF Fellow, as the fellowship (and her time in law school) comes to an end. In addition, Reema reflects on her path to internet law and policy, starting with a formative college internship at the
A 2023 Privacy Law Update with Keir Lamont and Divya Sridhar [S4E36]
2y ago · 1:13:16
Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind podcast! This week, Reema chats with Keir Lamont (Future of Privacy Forum) and Divya Sridhar (BBB National Programs) on the core 2023 privacy law updates you need to know. They cover updates since Keir was on the show last year discussing his 5 key predictions for 2023 – including how those predictions panned out, what actually happened, and what’s coming up in 2024. As the Director of Privacy Initiatives at BBB National Programs, Divya’s portfolio encompasses the design, development and launch of multiple industry self-regulation privacy programs. She is
The TPG Gets Meta (Not That One): Podcasters Unite! with Angelique Carson, Nicole Dove, and Noah Katz [S4E35]
2y ago · 45:16
Welcome back to the “Tech Policy Grind” podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry! This week, Reema gets “meta” by chatting with other podcasters to give a behind-the-scenes look into the world of tech policy podcast production. She chatted with Angelique Carson, host of The Privacy Beat podcast, Nicole Dove, host of the Urban Girl Corporate World podcast, and Noah Katz, host of the Careers in Data Privacy podcast. The podcast pros get into discuss how they launched their podcasts and what they’ve learned as podcast hosts. They also discuss their careers in the privacy, cybersecurity, and t
Brazilian Privacy Update with Marcela Mattiuzzo and Nathalie Fragoso [S4E34]
2y ago · 47:36
Welcome back to the “Tech Policy Grind” podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry! This week, Reema chats with Marcela Mattiuzzo and Nathalie Fragoso, Partners at VMCA Advogados, on Brazilian privacy law and regulatory policy updates. They dive into recent activity from Brazil’s data protection authority (the ANPD), and the history of the LGPD. They also cover how regulatory control of Artificial Intelligence is shaping up. Marcela Mattiuzzo is partner at VMCA in the areas of data protection and competition law. She holds a PhD and a Masters from the University of São Paulo. Previously, she
What’s New In Tech Policy with the Foundry Fellows [S4E33]
2y ago · 23:42
Welcome back to the “Tech Policy Grind” podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry! This episode, Foundry Fellows Reema Moussa, Lama Mohammed, and Joe Catapano cover some of the latest headlines in tech policy. They cover the latest updates in the Federal Trade Commission’s case against the data broker Kochava, the DOJ’s antitrust case against Google, and the reauthorization of Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). They also cover some global updates on AI regulation, from the White House’s AI executive order to the Global AI Safety Summit. Finally, Reema wraps up
Demystifying Election Security Misinformation with Katie Harbath [S4E32]
2y ago · 34:31
Welcome back to the “Tech Policy Grind” podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry! In this episode, Senior Fellow Lama Mohammed interviews Katie Harbath, CEO and Founder of Anchor Change on election security misinformation. With 2024 setting out to be “tsunami” year of elections, Lama and Katie dive deep into definitions, misinformation around election infrastructure. Then, they get into the role of AI in disinformation, rebuilding trust between public users, technologists, government, and the media, and more. Anchor Change is a consulting organization developing solutions at the intersecti
What’s Class Five Up To? With Evan Enzer, Zia Mohammad, and Daniela Guzman Peña [S4E31]
2y ago · 26:18
This week, host Reema Moussa catches up with three Class 5 fellows Evan Enzer, Zia Mohammad, and Daniela Guzman Peña. Evan Enzer is the editor of the Tech Policy Grind podcast and a consultant focused on privacy law compliance and operations. Zia is a technologist working as a product manager for Amazon Web Services in quantum computing. Daniela is a co-producer of the Tech Policy Grind podcast, former journalist, and working on policy development and stakeholder engagement at a tech platform. We caught up with these three fellows to hear more about their diverse careers in tech policy and wha
Fellow Highlights: Curiosity and Collaboration with Dyllan Brown-Bramble [S4E30]
2y ago · 29:24
This week Class 4 Fellow and Fellow Highlights series host Meri Baghdasaryan sits down with Dyllan Brown-Bramble, who is a Class 4 fellow and leads Foundry’s Annual Policy Hackathon Committee. Dyllan is an associate at a global law firm where he practices privacy and cybersecurity law. He also serves as a Junior Board Member for the Surveillance Technology Oversight Project (S.T.O.P.). Dyllan graduated from Georgetown University Law Center in 2018 where he was a Technology Law and Policy Scholar and before that he graduated from Rutgers University in 2014. Meri and Dyllan chat about Dyllan’s p
Getting Up to Speed on Vehicle Privacy with Adonne Washington and Andrea Amico [S4E29]
2y ago · 33:56
Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law and Policy Foundry! On this week’s episode, Evan Enzer, an ILPF fellow and car-centric SoCal Native, met up with Adonne Washington (Future of Privacy Forum) and Andrea Amico (Privacy4Cars) to cover our introduction to vehicle privacy, a fast-emerging market in the broader privacy law and policy profession. They get into Andrea’s new project, VehiclePrivacyReport.com; FPF’s excellent introductory resources; Mozilla’s latest edition of Privacy Not Included; and the California Privacy Protection Agency’s (CPPA’s) auto company enfor
Queer Privacy and Digital Equity with Cobun Zweifel-Keegan and Vinny DiGilio [S4E28]
2y ago · 29:50
Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry! This week’s episode is all about queer privacy. Foundry Fellow Katelyn Ringrose chats with Cobun Zweifel-Keegan (IAPP) and Vinny DiGilio (Grindr) about privacy issues impacting the queer community. They get into what queer privacy means to them, and why digital equity is so critical for LGBTQ+ people, most especially, youth. Then, Cobun and Vinny discuss what it means to be part of two, sometimes intersecting identities, as queer privacy professionals, and how their advocacy on behalf of their community impacts
Data Brokers, Ad-Tech, and the Civil Liberties at Stake with Justin Sherman [S4E27]
2y ago · 55:56
This week, Reema sits down with Justin Sherman, CEO of Global Cyber Strategies, to talk all things data brokers. They cover the ad-tech ecosystem, the past, current, and future of federal and state-level regulation on data brokers, and what the data brokerage industry means for civil liberties. They then dig deep into recent FTC action, including the implications of FTC v. Kochava, the California DELETE Act, and what might be coming down the pipeline in data broker regulation – including the CFPB’s latest action on data brokers. Justin’s consulting firm, Global Cyber Strategies, is a Washingto
An Engineer’s Guide to Cyber Policy [S4E26]
2y ago · 27:43
This week Class 4 Fellow and Fellow Highlights series host Meri Baghdasaryan sits down with Grant Versfeld. Grant is Co-Vice President for the Foundry’s current E-Board and is a Security Engineer at a major tech company. He graduated from Tufts University with a degree in Computer Science, where he specialized in cybersecurity and technology policy. As a student, he served as a Teaching Assistant for Dr. Susan Landau at the Fletcher School and interned with the Center for Democracy and Technology. In his spare time, Grant volunteers with an organization that provides security and privacy servi

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Episodes 60

S6 E5: AI uses and abuses with Professor David Opderbeck

Data Without Borders: The Patchwork Problem of a Connected World

S6E3: Cross-border data flows with Darren Grayson Chng

S6E2: Can Age Assurance Respect Our Privacy?

S6E1: FSC v Paxton with Prof. Eric Goldman

S5E7: Ahead of Google’s Response, DuckDuckGo’s Joe Jerome explains the DOJ’s Antitrust Case

What do birding and dinosaurs have to do with privacy compliance? [S5E6]

Responsible Product Design and AI Red Teaming [S5E5]

Conversations from State of the Net: AI’s Impact on Cybersecurity and the Future of Work [S5E4]

First Amendment Experts Dig Into Supreme Court Cases That Could Change Future of Online Discourse [S5E3]

Making the Case Against Aerial Surveillance, with the ACLU’s Jay Stanley [S5E2]

State of the Net Live 2024: Neurotechnology and Privacy, a New Era of Internet Geopolitics, and the Legal Landscape for Online Expression [S5E1]

The Tech Policy Grind Signs Off (For Now!) [S4E38]

How to Start a Tech Policy Podcast and Other Stories with Reema Moussa [S4E37]

A 2023 Privacy Law Update with Keir Lamont and Divya Sridhar [S4E36]

The TPG Gets Meta (Not That One): Podcasters Unite! with Angelique Carson, Nicole Dove, and Noah Katz [S4E35]

Brazilian Privacy Update with Marcela Mattiuzzo and Nathalie Fragoso [S4E34]

What’s New In Tech Policy with the Foundry Fellows [S4E33]

Demystifying Election Security Misinformation with Katie Harbath [S4E32]

What’s Class Five Up To? With Evan Enzer, Zia Mohammad, and Daniela Guzman Peña [S4E31]

Fellow Highlights: Curiosity and Collaboration with Dyllan Brown-Bramble [S4E30]

Getting Up to Speed on Vehicle Privacy with Adonne Washington and Andrea Amico [S4E29]

Queer Privacy and Digital Equity with Cobun Zweifel-Keegan and Vinny DiGilio [S4E28]

Data Brokers, Ad-Tech, and the Civil Liberties at Stake with Justin Sherman [S4E27]

An Engineer’s Guide to Cyber Policy [S4E26]