Cave To The Cross Apologetics
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We welcome back to the show from Revived Studios Troy Frasier and his cohost Mark. They've launched a new show on their network called "Christian or Not" where they look at people in Church history who have claimed or others have claimed to be a Christian. Doing a deep dive on the person's life, they evaluate their lives, writings, and actions in life to see if we are able to tell if the person has walked in the footsteps of Christ. Here we talk about how Scripture gives us the ability to ask the question, "Christian or not", the bumpy road of Church history to determine if people walked with
Finishing up chapter 1, Oliphant makes the case for the transition of presuppositional apologetics to the more accurate and more biblical name covenant apologetics. The Christian Covenant Of Apologetics is grounded in the Scripture and nature of God. How, then, can the Christian carry out apologetics? Oliphant gives ten tenants that guide us to properly carry out the command of being apologists to the world under the same covenant.
Starting out with chapter one, Oliphint does what we love around here - defining his terms. Here he covers what is apologetics and that all humanity has a covenantal duty to believe in God and follow Him. The Christian apologist, then, is to always be ready with Christian truth - not general theism with a sidestep to Jesus.
We dive into Oliphint's intro where he wants to get into reorienting presuppositional apologetics. This is a focus less on the philosophical but more on the practical, Christian aspect of it. He wishes to "translate" Van Til for the common man and breaks down how his book will do that.
In the preface for the new book, William Edgar walks through a short history of 20th century apologetics and takes us from Athens to Indiana. We see the shaky ground that the 20th century landscape had Christianity in and the much needed resurgence that people like Kuyper, Van Til, and now Oliphint will guide us to let the roaring lion go forth - foundation and all.
Wow, book number 15! It only feels like yesterday we were on book 5. Well, after The Great Debate that put presuppositionalism on the map - what's to be done after that? Well, you actually have to talk to people. Scary, yes, but how does one actually do that? Well, this book might be of help.
Concluding our book, we ask, how must Christians respond to atheists with all these different accountings for science and logic? If we're unable to agree how we provide a basis for our knowledge, is there some sort of area above science and logic we could point to - something transcendental in nature that accounts for science and logic? Well, I'm glad you asked.
Greg Bahnsen now starts to advance his main argument that because of the confusion within the basis for science and logic, one should attack the foundational worldview using one's own worldview and therefore Christians should do apologetics presuppoitionally. In this episode, we discuss why that's the case.
Before Bahnsen gives us the answer, he's going to give us a problem that can't find the answer within itself. There are two big philosophical camps that many, if not all, atheists hold to. The problem comes in when the two atheist worldviews come into disagreement, and you find both sides saying the other is wrong at this impasse; they can't get past each other. So, is there an answer? Find out the question first.
In the final part of the book, we cover Bahnsen's push to encourage all Christians to use the presuppositional apologetic approach. Bahnsen, true to form, pushes the antithesis between the supernatural Christian worldview and everything else. He starts with showing that all other worldviews have issues with change, unity, & diversity - a place where the Christian worldview can swoop in and provide the answer.
Don't worry, we'll be back to Bahnsen next week. But first, policy expert Jeff Park and Patrick have to encourage Christian fathers to take an active and central role in the education of their children - even if they're not the primary teacher, although they are primarily responsible.
It's now Patrick's turn to take a short vacation, so this week and next week will be two redux episodes featuring policy expert Jeff Park and the discussion of the Christian's responsibility to educate their children. In this, we talk about modern education, homeschooling, government policies, and why, ultimately, the Christian should fight to educate their children as they see fit.
The previous three episodes leads up to Bahnsen's claim that presuppositional apologetics is the only way to do apologetics. It's the best tool to show the split between Christianity and every other viewpoint. And the best part, it's biblical and it is found in the Christian message itself.
Bahnsen now moves to encouraging the Christian to engage in an apologetic method that attack worldview foundations first and foremost. There's nothing wrong in knowing the positive case for Christianity but when it comes to how one approaches proof and truth, why give up so much of your position to try and achieve a neutral starting point - it's not possible to have and it's not biblical to take.
Continuing Bahnsen's lecture on pushing the antithesis, we see Bahnsen make the case for a pushing the antithesis apologetics and provides the repercussions as seen in real, published literature on what happens if we give up that division between the Christian worldview and the non-Christian worldview.
We now cover a lecture by Greg Bahnsen included in our book that encourages the Christian antithesis to be pushed when comparing our lives to those of the world and also in our apologetics. Here Bahnsen shows the Van Tillian origin of this idea in apologetics but shows the presence of it from Genesis all the way through the Old and New Testament.
Christian TAG Solves It All Finishing up the question, we see that a proper examination would have led Greg Bahnsen to present the transcendental argument that he was known for and how Christian TAG solves it all. TIMELINE: 00:00 – Introduction 00:15 – Question 7 – How Does The Christian Not Just Beg The Question As Well? 02:57 – Question 8 – Could This All Be An Illusion? 04:27 – Bahnsen’s Rebuttal With The Transcendental Rebuttal 13:33 – Conclusion BOOK LINKS: The Great Debate – Does God Exist? – Edited and Commentary by Joshua Pillows Debate Transcript Video The Bahnsen Institute All episod
What The Atheist Should Have Asked Here’s what Gordon Stein, the atheist, should have asked Greg Bahnsen in their debate instead of being caught off guard over what happened. Here, the editor steps into the role to pull out more context in the nature of the Christian worldview and why it provides the necessary basis for all knowledge. TIMELINE: 00:00 – Introduction 01:34 – Question 1 – Why Do We Need To Know The Laws Of Logic Before Coming To Our Theory? 03:52 – Question 2 – Why Can’t We Know Logic Is True Because It Works? 05:35 – Question 3 – Why Can’t Laws Of Logic Just Be Necessarily True?
https://youtu.be/VXRRVnHb7ZA Christianity Provides The Only Justification For Knowledge Tony’s going to be out for a bit, so the next four episodes will be on the shorter end, but that’s ok. Here, the editor of the book, Joshua Pillows, structures the debate on what might have been the case if Stein had been prepared to deal with Bahnsen’s actual argument. So this is how it should have happened, and we start with Bahnsen’s opening statement. TIMELINE: 00:00 – Introduction 04:03 – The Embarrassing Dr. Stein 05:34 – Bahnsen’s Opening Statement Redux 07:13 – A Battle Of Worldviews 09:22 – The Iss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCgZKgw9TtU Evil, Miracles, & Atheist Faith Tony’s going to be out for a bit, so the next four episodes will be on the shorter end, but that’s ok. Here, the editor of the book, Joshua Pillows, structures the debate on what might have been the case if Stein had been prepared to deal with Bahnsen’s actual argument. So this is how it should have happened, and we start with Bahnsen’s opening statement. TIMELINE: 00:00 – Introduction 04:03 – The Embarrassing Dr. Stein 05:34 – Bahnsen’s Opening Statement Redux 07:13 – A Battle Of Worldviews 09:22 – The Issue With The
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B570UPGXmhg Evil, Miracles, & Atheist Faith We finish off with the debate with the final four questions including evil, agnosticism, the nature of logic, belief, and show that an atheist faith is present and the atheist in this debate stumbles over himself and accidentally admits it – twice. TIMELINE: 00:00 – Introduction 01:27 – Question 3 – Why Is There Evil? Rebellion 05:27 – Dr. Stein Rebuttal – God Needs To Force Us Not To Rebel To Be Good & Real 07:34 – Question 4 – Why Not Agnosticism? 08:54 – Ut Oh! Stein Contradicts Stein! 11:18 – Dr. Bahnsen’s Rebuttal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvdYRjGqNS4 The Christian God & The Guy From Germany With A Funny Mustache As we come down to the book’s debate proper section we are left with six questions from the audience. Here we cover two which involve asking why is the Christian God the answer out of all the other gods out there. Then we get to ask the question that takes all philosophers about 6 minutes to get to – how do we deal with ideas when it comes to that guy from Germany with a funny mustache. A really interesting response from both sides here. TIMELINE: 00:00 – Introduction 02:42 – Question 1 –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No0WAKSNxpA Christians Have The High Ground We all know what happens to those who have the high ground. Dr. Bahnsen ends his closing remarks with the key points being that atheist Gordon Stein doesn’t have a leg to stand on. In fact, he’s stealing the Christian’s leg to be able to claim all his worldview points on. So ends the Great Debate – but wait, there’s more! TIMELINE: 00:00 – Introduction 01:35 – The Christian Does What The Atheist Didn’t Do 01:59 – Bahnsen Shows That Stein Couldn’t Back Up His Worldview To Critique 05:07 – The Untouched Transcendental Ch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN56A9ON7to An Atheist Caught Stealing Dr. Stein finished the debate in his closing in what appears to be on his back heel. Bahnsen has levied that an atheist caught stealing from the Christian worldview allows for the use of science and morality that an atheist doesn’t have justification for. Stein uses his last words to try to say that an atheist universe allows for the most moral system and a place where men can do science easily. TIMELINE: 00:00 – Introduction 02:01 – An Atheist Talks About What’s Possible In An Atheist Universe 02:56 – Evil In An Atheist Un
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t67_qR3ewTU At Some Point We Have To Talk About TAG Bahnsen uses the final part of his second rebuttal by letting Stein and the audience know that at some point we have to talk about TAG. The argument that Bahnsen is known for surprised and shocked the atheist who hand waves it away without dealing with any of the points. Maybe Stein can make his final case next week in his closing argument. TIMELINE: 00:00 – Introduction 00:15 – Bahnsen’s A Stickler For The Transcendental Argument 02:48 – A Reminder Of TAG 06:14 – The Atheist Tries To Turn The Tables On Christi
